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an election year in the state of florida, it's worth taking a close look. voters at some locations today waiting as long as 2 1/2 hours to cast their ballots. i went to two early voting stations in pembroke pines. i talked to people about why they wanted to cast their ballot before november 6th. >> i don't want to lose an opportunity. you never know what can happen. i want to be here and vote. >> voting is important to me. you should not wait. it's something that you should do. >> i'm scared of the outcome of this election. i don't like the politics, the campaigning and i want to make sure my vote is counted as early as possible. >> she had lots of company in florida early voting today. how this has become such a game-changer. first to the campaign trail where president obama is in new hampshire. he is scheduled to speak within
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the next few minutes. paul ryan about to make the third stop of the day in ohio. he is going to take the stage in circleville any time now. we will go live to both those events coming up. first though, some breaking news from florida. the romney campaign announcing just moments ago that they are rescheduling all of mitt romney's virginia events for tomorrow. the gop nominee will instead travel to ohio. all this because of the impending impact of hurricane sandy. we of course are tracking sandy. progress up the east coast. nbc's meteorologist dylan drier in the msnbc studios in new york. ton trung in delaware. we just got the latest advisory from the hurricane center. what can you tell us. >> nothing has changed. this still indicates the storm is a category 1 hurricane and
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very far out to sea, but still just as huge as it has been. that's why we are still dealing with some potential for stronger wind gusts and decent rain along the coast of south carolina and north carolina. north eastern north carolina and south eastern south carolina will be almost a pivot point for this storm to rotate on. that's going to produce heavy torrential rain in that area. it is moving northeast right now. still sounds weird that this storm is ever going to take this turn to the northwest, but it is going to happen. it's going to happen especially early monday. sunday night into monday morning is when it takes that turn. look at the size of this storm. we are seeing clouds all the way from florida, stretching up into new jersey at this time. eventually the rain with this storm will make its way up the eastern seaboard. right now the heaviest of the rain, dark shades of green, yellows here, that's where we have your torrential downpours. notice how it's just offshore. the majority of the lighter rain
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is what's affecting the coastline of south carolina and north carolina and eventually will move up into virginia. these are current wind gusts, gusting up to around 30, 35 miles per hour. think how far away the storm is and winds are still that strong. as this moves onshore from east to west, believe it or not, that's when we'll see our strongest winds. we've got a stalled front to our west, a huge area of high pressure to our northeast. this storm has nowhere to go but west. it sounds so bizarre. that's what makes this storm so unusual. the way it's moving in to the delmarva area and into the mid-atlantic. we are going to see this storm affect somewhere in new jersey down through delaware into maryland. we'll end up with about eight to ten or more inches of rain. we are not just looking at inland flooding, but coastal flooding because of a four to five foot storm surge. power outages will be the biggest issue with wind gusts up to 80 miles per hour with the leaves on the trees. those will come down on power
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lines. we could be talking about power outages through the weekend and beyond. >> thank you so much. we will be checking in with you periodically over the course of the next few hours. right now, let's go to nashua, new hampshire. president obama has just taken the stage there. the campaign rally is going on. let's listen in. >> that was his philosophy as ceo, his philosophy as governor. as president clinton said he does have a lot of brass. he's not talking about big change, but all he's talking about is a big rerun of the same policies that created so much hardship for so many americans. and y'all, governor romney has been out here making last-minute promises lately. said he's all about fighting for the middle class. says he cut taxes for everybody. and ask something from nobody, but the problem is we heard those promises before.
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keep in mind, governor romney lives a few miles south of here in the state of massachusetts. love massachusetts. [ cheers ] but during governor romney's campaign for governor down there, he promised the same thing he's promising now. said he'd fight for jobs and middle class families, but once he took office, he pushed through a tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited 278 of the wealthiest families in the state and raised taxes and fees to middle class families to the tune of $750 million. does that sound familiar to you? when asked about this, he says these weren't taxes, these were fees, but keep in mind, there were higher fees to be a barber,
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higher fees to become a nurse. there were higher fees for gas. there were higher fees for milk. there were higher fees for blind people who needed to get a certificate that they were blind. he raised fees to get a birth certificate which would have been expensive for me. [ applause ] he raised fees, he raised fees for marriage certificates and fees for funeral homes, so there were literally cradle to grave tax hikes and fees. and when he left office, there were only three states in the country that created fewer jobs than massachusetts. by the way, one of them was louisiana that had been hit by hurricane katrina.
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he talked a lot about small businesses, still talks about it. says i'm a business guy, i know about small businesses. massachusetts when he was governor ranked 48th in small business creation. one of the two states that ranked lower was louisiana that had gotten hit by hurricane katrina. so this is a guy who has a track record of saying one thing and doing something else. on the other hand, when i ran four years ago, i made promises, too. i promised to cut taxes for middle class families and i did by $3,600. i promised to cut taxes for small business owners and i did 18 times. i promised to end tax-payer funded wall street bailouts and
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we have. by the way, we got every dime worth of money we used for the bank rescue and got interest with it, too. i promise to take on those financial institutions charging too much for student loans. we were able to make college more affordable for millions of americans. i promised i would never walk away from the millions of jobs that were in jeopardy when the auto industry was on the brink of collapse. we decided to ignore governor romney's business advice when he said detroit should go bankrupt. now america, we are building the best cars on earth. four years ago i promised to end the war in iraq and we did. i promised that we would begin the transition in afghanistan, and we are. i said we would go after the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11, and thanks to the brave men and women in uniform, the courage of our navy seals, al
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qaeda is on the path to defeat and osama bin laden is dead. >> president obama at a middle school in nashua, new hampshire there. spending a fair amount of time talking about governor romney's record. also spent time basically laying out why he doesn't think governor romney would be a friend of middle class in this country, and got quite the applause with his birther joke there in front of the crowd. kristen walker has been traveling with the president. let's talk about the energy there and the size of that crowd. can you give us an idea about both of those things? >> well, we haven't gotten an official crowd count yet, craig. i can tell you that the crowd here is certainly energized. a couple thousand people. james taylor started things off, warmed up the crowd before president obama took the stage,
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so he got things going. president obama getting a lot of cheers. the president has made this his closing arguments really about trust. you heard him say that essentially mitt romney does not do what he says he's going to do. he talked about his record as governor in massachusetts. of course, that is a neighboring state to new hampshire. this crowd quite familiar with mitt romney's record. one of the things president obama focusing on today and really throughout his campaign speeches recently is the fact that mitt romney says he is not going to increase taxes for middle class families and that he did that while he was governor of massachusetts. the romney campaign pushing back saying president obama is in attack mode because he doesn't have his own record to run on. both candidates really going after independent voters here in new hampshire. this race is essentially tied up. president obama has a narrow lead here, but certainly not a
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significant one. four electoral votes here. in a race this tight, every single electoral vote is key. president obama carried this state in 2008. unemployment rate far below the national average, but mitt romney has a strong presence here. not only was he governor of neighboring massachusetts, but he owns a house here in new hampshire. kristen welker, thank you for that report. from new hampshire to the sunshine state. many residents down here in florida not waiting until election day to cast their ballots. just this morning, hundreds, thousands lining up at polling places to lock in their support for their candidate of choice. will this early electoral activity impact what we see on november 6th? joining me to talk about it,
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a.b. stoddard associate editor on the hill and jeff greenberg. a.b., let me start with you. both candidates want to bank votes, but this has been a major push for the president, in particular. he made it his public service announcement on the trail. can democrats make enough strides with in-person early voting to prevent sweating out election night? >> well, that's what they hope. if you talk to them in these last two weeks, the goal has been all along they said they were well aware of it early enough in the cycle to really hone other energy and resources to make sure they turned out early vote among their supporters. their argument is at this point they are going to win even if they don't get any persuadable voters these last days. if they just turn out their
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supporters, they are going to win. the concern is all along that their supporters are disappointed, maybe they've become apathetic. maybe they support obama, but that's not getting in the car. these rallies where they take you right to a voting place is going to make a difference for president obama. it won't if romney has more votes and wins. it's important to remind the supporters what's at stake and to get them to bank those votes in advance. >> jeff, we are expecting sandy to throw quite the wrench into some campaigning. governor romney shifting his stops tomorrow from virginia to ohio. power outages after the storm could really shift priorities for a lot of swing state voters. how big could the political impact of sandy be? s. >> well, the first thing to think about, since you know i like to do the counterfactual
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history. what if sandy hit on tuesday november 6th? that would be something that has never happened before, as far as i can tell in american politics. the broader point, if i may, is that the obama campaign, its one advantage even in the midst of the last couple of weeks since the first debate of declining leads is that it's had four years, five, if you count the 2008 campaign, to build a turnout machine. the sophistication of how you locate your voters and how you persuade them to vote has changed by a factor of a million, he said slightly exaggerated, in the last couple of decades. the bush campaign did this in 2004 in what was called bankrupt targeting. the obama campaign has gone to school on it and brought it to a whole new level. the sophistication of locating voters and the kinds of persuasion tools you use, things like when you call a perspective
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voter and say do you plan to vote, how are you going to do it, what time? the whole point is psychological to get people in the frame of mind to vote. my guess is whether it's -- go ahead, i'm sorry. >> i was about to say. it's something i have seen up close and personal in north carolina and ohio and now florida, as well. i want to get back to that later. the ground game is what you're talking about, jeff greenfield. you and a.b. stoddard are going to come back and join me. do stand by. up next, if you think there is only one path to victory, you're wrong. we are going to give you a peek at what the candidates have up their sleeve next because there's more than one way to skin a cat, as they say. where others fail, droid powers through.
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let's talk more about some of these key battleground states from the president's perspective. patrick gaspart joins me live. let's start with the storm here. president has big events over the next few days. he's supposed to appear with president clinton on monday in prince william county, virginia. what's the likelihood of that event happening? second of all, how is he going to balance the realities of governing in a crisis with the perceptions? >> well, craig, first, it's great to be on. obviously, the president has been making that balance for the last several months, almost a year since mitt romney has been out on the trail. the president knows how to make that balance. on the situation in florida and the pending storm, clearly, the safety and security of floridians comes first and
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foremost. we hope that we'll have the president and former president in florida making the case, but clearly, considerations for the lives of folks in the sunshine state comes first and we are going to make sure that's first and foremost. i should say that the situation with the storm highlights exactly why democrats are so supportive of early vote. you just don't know what unquantifiable things will happen. >> how real is the worry that the storm could impact early voting in some of these key states especially north carolina and virginia, as well? >> i think folks in that belt are accustomed to this kind of weather at this time of year. and they are making allowances. clearly, it's a situation we are all monitoring closely. judging by the lines that we just saw in your interviews in
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miami, there is a tremendous amount of energy on the ground and folks understand what the consequences are in this election and they are coming out and participating. i had staff members in florida sending me pictures early this morning. i saw folks who had been waiting online since 6:00 a.m. in the morning. lines that were wrapping two blocks long because they understand this is a make or break point for the middle class. i know our supporters are energetic and enthused about the president's plans and positions and understand mitt romney would take that back with social security, medicare and women's health. >> our latest nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist poll showing a dead heat in colorado. governor romney cutting the deficit with women in half in that state. his favorability in colorado has apparently flipped. if this whole thing comes down to colorado, will you guys have the turnout necessary to hold
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off a romney surge? >> yeah. you know, i don't believe this is going to come down to any one state. there are seven to nine states that are critical that are imbalanced, truly up for grabs. those poll numbers in the head-to-head contest don't surprise us. we said this would be a razor-thin, close election. i can tell you when we were on the ground and speak to women who understand what mitt romney has proposed in terms of politicians getting between their doctors and their tough decisions, we talk to young folks in that state. they are for president obama because they know he's got a vision for the future. both colorado and florida we are doing incredibly well getting out our vote early. >> patrick, thank you so much. we should note we will hear from your republican counterpart next hour. thank you, sir. >> thank you, craig. >> we are keeping a close eye on hurricane sandy as that storm gets ever closer to the east coast. more on the storm and a live report. that's straight ahead.
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plus later, president obama goes on mtv. we'll tell you what he said about climate change and same-sex marriage. >> also, the president spent time talking about his daughters' future dating life. and why young voters this time around may very well make all the difference. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade.
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it seems like things are leaning to him. he's only at 257 electoral votes. he's 13 short. he needs some combination of these. co-do it with wisconsin and vau. that puts him over the top. you see the key there is going to be wisconsin right there in the middle because if he doesn't win ohio, and wins florida, wins virginia, he's probably going to need to have to win wisconsin. while we talked about the importance of the midwest winning two of those three states. if we also take you back now and look, if president obama can win without florida absolutely possible, but again, the key for president obama is going to be ohio. you have florida and virginia to romney. he's at 248, obama 243. colorado leaning toward romney. now give obama new hampshire where he is favored, wisconsin where he is favored.
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give him iowa, just 263. then we are looking on election night to that all-important state of ohio, obama at 281. if you gave that to romney, look at that, 275-263. that's why it is so key. what is the one state that could keep us up at night? let's look out west. we've been giving it to mitt romney colorado. watch what happens if we give romney florida, virginia, ohio. he's at 266. president obama, what does he need? new hampshire, wisconsin, iowa, all places he's favored and look at the one place that's keeping us up at night, western state, mountain time zone, late closing time, 266, 263, nine electoral votes there could swing it one way or the other. let's look at one last scenario where we could have ourselves a tie. president obama out west is favored in nevada. let's say we give it to mitt
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romney. it's only a three-point lead in our poll, 50-47. colorado, romney picks up. he may be the slight favorite there anyway. florida, virginia, now we are at 263 for romney. pick up iowa where it's very close and romney is at 269. if we give the president new hampshire where he's favored, wisconsin where he's favored, and even ohio with that auto balout, look at where we stand, 269-269. then the decision goes to congress. back to you, craig. oh, my goodness. we can't get enough of that map, thank you so much. i think what we've gleaned from all this, it could be a very long night on tuesday going into wednesday morning. coming up, up and down the east coast, everyone is keeping a close eye on hurricane sandy. how the storm could impact early voting in key swing states. >> i'm very keen on protecting
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welcome back. i'm craig melvin here in miami, florida, where early in-person voting started today. first though, we continue to track hurricane sandy as she closes in on the east coast. the storm expected to bring heavy rain, high winds, major power outages and flooding to 1/3 of the eastern seaboard. let's check in with our reporter on the ground in delaware. thanh truong. how is it looking right now? >> reporter: you can see the water here getting stirred up well. a state of emergency declared for virginia, dds and the maryland area here.
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20,000 utility workers are on standby ready to deploy and respond to this. this is going to be a huge event. a lot of power outages. they imagine this will be worse than hurricane irene last year. they are anticipating this will be worse. here at rehoboth beach, it's a crowded boardwalk. this is for the sea witch festival. a lot of folks coming out. they are not afraid of what's coming. they are actually anticipating that tomorrow they'll keep the festival going tomorrow, but come sunday night, they are expecting things are going to go downhill pretty quickly. monday night is when the event really happens. a lot of rain, a lot of wind. they are anticipating a lot of beach erosion here. as this storm moves further inland, they are also very concerned about the inland flooding. as this moves further northwest, it's going to collide with that cold front. that's where you get that frankenstorm coming into play. that's where it will create snow and rain further up west.
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>> thanh truong, good to see even with the storm looming, folks on the boardwalk love being on television. appreciate that, sir. we will have more on hurricane sandy here on msnbc. right now we turn back to the race to the white house. back to new york where richard lui has a look at the youth vote. >> good to see you. the president won the youth vote by 34% last election. this year support has dropped, giving the president a smaller 19% edge over his challenger, according to the latest survey from harvard university. it also shows that governor romney's young supporters are more enthusiastic. 65%-55%. yesterday the president went to their hangout mtv, shall we say, to perhaps try to change this. he gave a pep talk, answered some questions. it ranged from marriage equality to climate change. take a listen. >> we doubled fuel efficiency
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standards on cars and trucks. we doubled clean energy production, wind, solar, biofuels. the next step is to deal with buildings and really ramp up our efficiency in buildings. if we had the same energy efficiency as japan, we would cut our energy use by about 20%. >> mtv's andrew jengst joins us now. why the change from last election? the percentage has gotten closer, enthusiasm is higher for romney at the moment. >> i think four years ago everyone was obviously so enthused and they hadn't seen anything like this before. when i travel on the road, it almost seems like a bit of a bad break-up. not necessarily with president obama, but government at large. i think the idea that governor romney is a businessman and can help our back pockets goes a long way. maybe that's something we are seeing on the road. >> one of the issues you and i were talking about this earlier,
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that the president brought up is the issue of same-sex marriage. marriage equality. i'll quote what he said. he said i have been very clear about my belief that same-sex couples have to be treated before the eyes of the law as heterosexual couples. he went on to say, what i also said historically is marriages have been defined at the state level. is this next election, when it comes to youth, are they going to look at social issues more or more economic issues? >> i think social issues do mean a great deal to us. when you look at guy marriage as the next civil rights issue of our time. we were seeing if he would take the next step and make it a federal law. when i travel around the country at the end of the day, it is everyone talking about back pocket, money, jobs, employment. >> let's talk about you're talking about pocketbook, talking about economic issues. when you look at the youth vote today, since you've been talking to them, are they more fiscally
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conservative than perhaps last election, seeing many of them as children of generation x-ers. that generation grew up fiscally challenged and they may have passed some of those ideas to their children. >> that taps into something, yeah. i agree with that. i authentic it explains that we have this sort of entrepreneurial spirit. when i travel around the country, i say what do you want to do when you grow up? a lot of the students i talk to aren't interested -- they are, but they don't talk about being the next lebron james or laid a gaga. they say i would love to be the next steve jobs. it's trying to have the next big idea. >> andrew janks from mtv, thank you for that. back to craig melvin in miami. another important group there, the youth vote. of. >> important indeed. we'll talk about how important and why right now. thank you so much, richard lui. early, in-person voting in the sunshine state started a few hours ago. a week later than in past years,
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we should note. that gives early voters the next eight days to cast their ballot in florida. winds and rain from hurricane sandy now moving away from florida, but the storm will impact much of the east coast over the next few days. it could have an effect on early voting, as well. we'll talk about that right now. joining me in our political war room on a saturday afternoon, an all-star floridian panel. clarence mckeon is a in yous max contributor and reagan campaign advisor. kevin keith was an obama florida spokesman in 2008. thank you both for being with me on this saturday. early voting under way. it ends on saturday november 3rd here in florida. the state legislator last year reducing the number of early voting days from 14 to eight. kevin, does that reduction help or hurt president obama's chances here in florida? >> thanks for having me good.
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to see new miami. unfortunately, the voting days have been cut down, but what i think you're seeing is a more energized electorate because of it. they don't want their rights taken away. we see it in miami, tallahassee, orlando. folks are excited to vote for president obama because he is focused on middle class families. i think that's only energizing our base. we've got 106 field offices here. and we are doing everything we can to find those voters focused on the middle class and not giving tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. >> clarence, i want to call your attention to the front page of the "miami herald" here talking about the ground game in florida. i spent a fair amount of time the past day or so talking to voters here in the sunshine state. i saw the lines this morning at a couple of places. it seems as if the president has quite the advantage in terms of the ground game in florida right now. his ability to turn out voters. is that the case, and if that is
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the case, what is that going to mean for the romney campaign over the next few days here? >> first of all, good to be with you and your great audience. congratulations on your recent marriage. early voting in florida has always gone to the benefited advantage of the democratic party, whereas the absentee voting has gone to the advantage of republicans. they bank those votes. i think the romney campaign, from what i understand, has talked to over 900,000 phone, knocking on your door folks. it's massive, long, big, and they are confident about their opportunities and chances. as a matter of fact, they talked to 67 times more people this year than 2008. early voting, first of all, get one thing straight. how many days do you need to vote? s places in africa, middle east, people walk hours to vote. early voting is a right.
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early voting and absentee voting are privileges. >> not to cut you off, but i see where you're going there. why haven't republicans been able to capitalize on early voting like democrats have? >> you might ask the democrats why they haven't capitalized on absentee voting. one reason is that absentee voting -- >> craig, if i can interrupt there. our absentee ballot program has -- >> give him a chance to answer the question because you posed the question or i posed the question. let's pose that question. go ahead and answer it. >> i'll ignore some of the things he said about the right to vote. what i do want to say is democrats cut in half the republican advantage in absentee votes this year, which is critical. we are in a better position in 2012 than we were in 2008 when it comes to game day.
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this is game day. it's early vote. we are focused on not only that absentee program which we are doing fantastic at. we are focused at getting the vote out toehe early vote. it's one of the most important things you can do. you shouldn't say we should make it more than less. >> voting is an absolute right. people in this state died and lynched for the right to vote. early voting is good. absentee voting is good. they are not absolute rights, they are privileges. jewish voters, hispanic voters. the only ones doing this as a pandering to the black voters by the democratic party, as usual to get reverend sharpton. >> hang on, whoa, clarence, clarence, how is it pandering? we are running out of time, but how is it pandering?
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>> shgs no sh, no, no. first of all, the way they try to energize talk about the white folks, the republicans are trying to cut off the black vote. we have reverend sharpton going all over the state to energize it. the base for the first black president of the united states. that's what this is all about. >> this is ridiculous. >> we've got to go after this. >> i'm offended by way is saying here. this is about middle income voters, about somebody who wants to cut taxes for small businesses and middle income voters and not raise taxes on middle income families in order to give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. i encourage everybody to get out and vote and never diminish anybody else's right to vote. that's critical. >> we have to leave it there. i encourage you guys to continue your conversation via twitter
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i'm craig melvin here in miami, florida, where early in-person voting started a few hours ago. how will it impact the presidential race. bill clinton stepping in a as an 11th-hour pinch-hitter. in the long run though, will this help or will it perhaps hurt? ♪
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former president clinton making his presence felt in the race for the white house. he followed up with that all-star speech with ads supporting the president in the swing states. next week he will be joining president obama on the campaign trail. joining me to talk about it, a.b. stoddard, associate editor at "the hill" and jeff greenfield, host of "need to know" on pbs. nice to have you back since i cut you off at the top of the show. it's the president trying to get re-elected alongside a wildly popular former president. it seems like a slam dunk but does president obama run the risk of actually being overshadowed? >> yeah. in fact, when you bring this up, i can't think of any example where an incumbent president has as opposed to a candidate tried to use a past president to bolster his argument. bill clinton is unique. he blends the ability to argue
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policy and politics unlike any politician i've ever seen. anybody suffers by comparison, but the idea is clinton is strongest among democrats where obama is weakest, where he's relatively strong on white working class voters, for instance. like what the jewish mother says about chicken soup, couldn't hurt, but could it hurt by contrast? i'm inclined to think no. >> a.b., jeff brings up a good point. president obama taking bill clinton to youngstown, ohio. he's not looking to pick up young black voters with bill clinton by his side. he's looking to pick up those blue collar, those elusive white men the president has had so much trouble with. if you were involved in the campaign, would you have kept these two together on the trail or had them hit separate cities in some of the swing states? >> that's an interesting question. i think it's more powerful when president clinton is with president obama. the clinton bump, and it was literally called that following
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the democratic national convention in charlotte was significant because it was the first time someone got up there and said as only a president could, no president could have fixed the financial mess we were in, the economic trouble we were in in 2008 in just these 3 1/2 years. so president clinton validates the obama economic agenda. i think that it's one thing to say it when he's not with him. when theyer on the trail and able to tell people who voted for obama last time, but are mad at him now but didn't vote for him but are afraid to take a chance on mitt romney. for bill clinton to stand next to barack obama and say i endorse his agenda. this is exactly what we need to keep a recovery going is a powerful message. that's the one the obama team needs to sway persuadables and excite supporters to get in the car. >> jeff, i want to throw up this
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headline from earlier this week. behind the clinton bromance, a stealth campaign. how much of this is about 2016? >> i've taken a vow. if it weren't for the first amendment, we should forbid conversations about 2016 until this campaign is over. can't we get this campaign done? do we have to start talking about the next one? >> i'll take that question. >> we can talk about substance or whether either candidate has a notion how you repair what's happened to the middle class in the last decade and a half. this obsession with the polls and 2016, maybe we should start talking about 2020. maybe chelsea will run then. enough already. >> i think it is. if hillary clinton wants the option and wants to keep
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everything open, she knows running against an incumbent president mitt romney is more difficult than an open election. coming up, hurricane sandy and what it will mean to millions along the east coast. plus what makes this state that i am in today, the sunshine state, what makes it so exceptional especially this year? we are going to dig into the numbers here in florida. wait for it... wait for it... [ dog ] you know, i just don't think i should have to wait for it! who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, we won't make you wait for it. our efficient, online system allows us to get you through your home loan process fast. which means you'll never have to beg for a quick closing. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. bonkers, look at me when i'm talking to you.
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